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Is this the change you really voted for? President Obama has only been in office for two months. Now we have HR 1388. The Bill was sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) with 37 others. The Bill was introduced to the floor of the House of Representatives where both Republicans and Democrats voted 321-105 in favor. Next it goes to the Senate for a vote and then on to President Obama.

This bill’s title is called “Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education” (GIVE). It forms what some are calling “Obama’s Youth Brigade.” Obama’s plan is require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade. His goal is one million youth! This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it.

The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” That means no church attendance or witnessing.

Again, is this what America voted for? Here is part of the HR1388 Bill’s wording:

SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
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(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

And finally

(10) Such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.

Update: Bill passed in Senate March 26th, 2009.
Senate Roll Call #115 Details
H.R.1388: To reauthorize and reform the national service laws.

Update: April 1st, 2009.
In the GIVE legislation, SEC. 1304. Section 125 was repealed in it's entirety from the bill. People who opposed the restrictions on church attendance rejoiced. However, closer examination reveals that the text listing Prohibited Activities
was inserted further down in the bill in SEC. 1310 SEC 132A in it's entirety with the addition of even one more prohibited activity.

See text from edited bill here:

SEC. 1304. CONFORMING REPEAL RELATING TO TRAINING AND TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE.

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:‘SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.‘(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation.‘(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.‘(3) Assisting, promoting, or deterring union organizing.‘(4) Impairing existing contracts for services or collective bargaining agreements.‘(5) Engaging in partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office.‘(6) Participating in, or endorsing, events or activities that are likely to include advocacy for or against political parties, political platforms, political candidates, proposed legislation, or elected officials.‘(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.‘(8) Providing a direct benefit to--‘(A) a business organized for profit;‘(B) a labor organization;‘(C) a partisan political organization;‘(D) a nonprofit organization that fails to comply with the restrictions contained in section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 except that nothing in this section shall be construed to prevent participants from engaging in advocacy activities undertaken at their own initiative; and‘(E) an organization engaged in the religious activities described in paragraph (7), unless Corporation assistance is not used to support those religious activities.‘(9) Conducting a voter registration drive or using Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.‘(10) Such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.‘(b) Ineligible Organizations- No assistance provided under this subtitle may be provided to the following types of organizations (including the participation of a participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle in activities conducted by such organizations) or to organizations that are co-located on the same premises as the following organizations:‘(1) Organizations that provide or promote abortion services, including referral for such services.‘(2) For-profit organizations, political parties, labor organizations, or organizations engaged in political or legislative advocacy.‘(3) Organizations that have been indicted for voter fraud.‘(c) Nondisplacement of Employed Workers or Other Volunteers- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not perform any services or duties or engage in activities which--‘(1) would otherwise be performed by an employed worker as part of his or her assigned duties as an employee or by another volunteer who is not a participant in an approved national service position; or‘(2) will supplant the hiring of employed workers or work of such other volunteers.’repealed.

(As stated above, the wording from SEC. 1304 was inserted further down in the bill into SEC. 1310 SEC 132A with the addition of even one more prohibited activity…see below)

SEC. 1310. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

Subtitle C of title I (42 U.S.C. 12571 et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 132 the following: Comments Close Comments Permalink

‘SEC. 132A. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

‘(a) Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities: Comments Close Comments Permalink

‘(1) Attempting to influence legislation. Comments Close Comments Permalink

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‘(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of proselytization, consistent with section 132.
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Outraged!!!!!!!
written by Outraged!, March 24, 2009

I was absolutely outraged when I read this. This administration is running these wicked programs through the system faster that we can say "wickedness in high places."

I went to the White House Web site and found this commentary (PDF file) showing the Presidents support and commentary on this legislation:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/111/legislative_sap_date/

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/sap_111/saphr1388s_20090324.pdf

In this PDF - does anyone know what they mean by "the Corporation" ????

Sounds like we're really in the matrix to me!

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rejected
written by derrickmoss, March 25, 2009

I honor those who honor Me. and I reject those who reject Me. America you rejected the God of the Bible and the Lord has given you Saul and pharoh all rolled up into one. To the Church judgement begin's at your door step and won't end for you unless you repent or you will who you really are. Wolves howling at the moon. Repent and place your faith in the Lord Jesus, and bring forth fruits worthy of Repentance.

In answer to "really?"
written by Outraged!!!, March 25, 2009

The following "Prohibited Activities" (that statement alone should be enough to make you squirm) as listed in this Bill HR 1388:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.
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(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

Are clearly a VIOLATION of EVERY American's First Amendment rights.

Amendment I of The Constitution of the Unites States of America says:
"Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF; OR ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press, or the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE PEACABLY TO ASSEMBLE, and to PETITION THE GOVERNMENT FOR A REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES."

By the way, 7) Engaging in religious instruction - does not state that the one engaging in it must be the TEACHER. Students in Sunday school classes are engaging in religious instruction, not to mention all those simply attending church services of most any faith - are engaging in religious instruction.

and 7) goes on to further list "or engaging in any form of religious proselytization." which simply means talking to someone else about your spiritual beliefs.

Come on now - since when is it ok for the US government to pass any laws prohibiting any citizens from talking to anyone about anything they believe?

You might expect that in China or Russia and many of the oppressed nations of Europe - but not here, not in the USA, Right?

But this law implies that by accepting a student loan (which is the majority of students - since very few actually have the means to straight up pay for college) a student should be required to serve 3 months in this "brigade" AND give up their First Amendment right at the same time?

It's not about whether you or the representatives in Washington agree with MY religious beliefs or not. It is about whether we will stand by while leaders in Washington systematically pluck apart the fabric and foundations of our Constitution and the LIBERTY that this nation was founded on.

Are we going to sit by while our young people - simply desiring to obtain a higher education and become productive (tax paying) members of our society, are "Mandatorily Volunteered" (talk about an Oxymoron) and then prohibited from excercising most of the rights that the First Amendment was written to protect.

People wake up and speak up! I encourage all who read this not to sit idly by while these kinds of destructive bills are proposed and passed. Contact your representatives, get involved in what ig going on in your government locally, in the State and in our Nation.

Be A Voice!!!!!!!!!!!

My Advice...
written by Jnet, March 25, 2009

Be scared...be very VERY scared!

Seriously?
written by Anthology, March 25, 2009

I believe it is apparent that ineligibility and prohibition apply only to using these activities/organizations as your selected service, not doing them on your own time.

Reading comprehension goes a long way.

Facts need correction
written by Mary, March 25, 2009

Obama’s plan is require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade.

No, this is program is application based for individuals to receive government grants for education in return for public service. The entire bill may be read here: http://www.opencongress.org/bi...=t0:pcs:30

The program goal is to raise the current participation from 75,000 government-supported volunteers to 250,000. Not one million as reported.

Yes, it's scary, but not as scary as the author of this article has intimated. If you sign up for the program you agree NOT to engage in ANY religious activity, period. So this program would exclude believers. There are some other very good controls as well that the author of this article skipped over. I'd recommend anyone interested in seeing the bill in its entirety to use the link above.

fact check
written by Mary, March 25, 2009

Read the bill in its entirety here:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/show

Comments (6)
written by j jackson, March 25, 2009

Comments 6 - Your're not "getting it". Reading between the lines goes a long way.

There is no shadow.
written by Kgd, March 25, 2009

What many fail to see is if you want to further your education with the governments money youll have to become what I see as revised do boys. These bills mean nothing until there passed, but the sheer magnitude of Obama and the liberal agendas is staggering. Well my thoughts are not very christian right now as for me If this is passed I will surely drop out of college. And I will gladly die, before im forced against my Christian rights and free wills. I say this as I am sure the sky is blue. This passes among the slew of other socialistic style and control Obama is aiming for I denouce this country and everything it once stood for. Obama is an enemy to the state. Congress is corrupted to its very foundation. The only thing many Christians should pertain to at this point in time is prayer becuase thats all we will have left in a few a years.

COME LORD JESUS COME QUICKLY
written by BILL, March 25, 2009

AND HE WILL (SOON)!!!

whoa...
written by -gbh, March 25, 2009

ok, i'm a junior in highschool, and a Catholic. if this passes, then i have two choices.
1) i can't accept any federal money for college, and thus most of my planned scholarship money will be nixed.
2) not even consider going to college...

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In the Way
written by Tom, March 25, 2009

To all who think we still are a Constitutional Republic, WAKE UP!

We are now on the back side of a Democracy, moving downhill very quickly toward a Socialist State. The Constitution is no longer viewed by those in power as relevant. They have been violating it daily for years now with no repercussions and not much flack.

America, as our founding fathers saw and created it, has not existed for almost 100 years now.

Two options are left: either dig in for the long dark night, or move to another country. Either way it will require the utmost faith in God!

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Reply to Comment: "Facts need correction"
written by Outraged!, March 25, 2009

1 mil or 250,000 for a goal is irrelevant, and focusing on details like this causes many to somehow miss how serious this kind of bill really is.

You said, "If you sign up for the program you agree NOT to engage in ANY religious activity, period. So this program would exclude believers. There are some other very good controls as well ..."

How is excluding ANY US Citizen who desires an education and also happens to hold any religious belief that includes some form of attendance at religious or worship services... a "very good control..."

What exactly is our government trying to control? And how is this good?

Since a majority of middle class young people who desire an education do not have enough cash to pay for college, they would be seeking student loans or aid of some kind... so as the junior in high school posted... if a young person is not willing to forsake their religious beliefs and doesn't have the cash to pay for college, then this bill means they must simply forego any aspirations to receive a higher education and go get a minimum wage job somewhere...

This is CONTROL and I can see NO righteous motive in this bill at all.

Wake up AMERICANS and WAKE UP CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On the Road To Socialism
written by Gin, March 25, 2009

First the MIAC Report and now this....
What is next guys?

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written by Sharilyn, March 25, 2009

This screams Naziism in a new form, and we should be very concerned. Hitler when he was in his prime did the very same thing. He took young people whose minds were easy to mold and made it seem as though they were participating in something very important giving them a sense of purpose and importance. It makes sense that he would start with our youth. Those without religious instruction would be the easiest to conform because their allegiance would be to Obama only. We must have s sense of urgencey about this and not brush this off as just another article. What happens in the dark will not stay in the dark...it will do it's best to overtake the light, and right now our light is not the brightest...in fact it's rather dim. We must be the light that God called us to be, and fight with all that is in us to ensure that this nation remains one under God.

Alarmism
written by Dave, March 25, 2009

All officials should be held accountable, but these articles amount to a self-exposé of the xenophobia of Evangelicalism.

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God forgive us
written by Jason, March 25, 2009

If this is allowed to happen. May God forgive us for what we will do

I have had enough
written by Ivehadenough, March 26, 2009

This is a blatent violation of the First Amendment. Do these nuckleheads think that this will float past supreme court challenges? This is one of the most stupid constitutionally challenged things I've ever read coming from congress.

Read this:

The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment --

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Reality Check
written by Outraged!!!, March 26, 2009

Hello Alarmism,

It's not called evangelicalism or alarmism...it's called a reality check as our Constitutional rights are seriously under attack, and like one previous post mentioned, with little to no resistance from the citizens of this great Republic, for which our founding fathers pledged their Lives, Fortunes and their Sacred Honor (read the Declaration of Independence).

"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed. That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government..."

Benjamin Franklin at the conclusion of the Constitutional Convention was asked, "What have you wrought?" His reply... "...a Republic, if you can keep it."

Are you willing to excercise your rights as a citizen to "keep our Republic?"

College grants
written by Mary, March 26, 2009

This is a reminder to all who have read this article: This has nothing to do with the Pell Grant system. It is not to all who receive government funds as this article reports. It is for those who participate in the GIVE program -- these are volunteers who perform specific community service projects in exchange for college grants. A student must apply to participate in this program. There are currently 75,000 participants. This is by no means the entire college population of the US who are receiving government grants for eductation.

It is just as ugly to misrepresent the facts of an issue to promote an agenda as it is to create "Hitler Youth". We are really intelligent enough to determine the facts if they are presented in context and not twisted.

I am a believer, I am a conservative Christian, an evangelical. I encourage every one of you to read the entire bill before making a judgment on this article, as it has misrepresented facts to cause you to make an emotional response.

Volunary
written by LBRNTRN89, March 26, 2009

Outraged,
The whole program is voluntary how is it a violation of Constitutional rights yes maybe the fact the Federal Government gives out student loans at all is Un-Constitutional but other wise it is a voluntary contract.

Gollege grants
written by Jack Boyd, March 26, 2009

Why should any government loan program exclude you from religious activities? Voluntary or not! It is all tax payers money. Should my tax money go to a program that I could not benifit from, just because I go to church? You had better think about what the government can do and teach to people who already have a lack of religious knowledge or feelings. It is just as ugly to not see evil when it comes knocking on your door with offers of money if you'll just give up your religion. This government is in a full attack mode on capitalism and religion. Wake UP.

Government Coercion
written by American Sharecropper, March 26, 2009

This law clearly states "(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds."

No matter how you slice it, this is a law is "exploring the possibility" of compelling a free citizenry to compulsory service to an immoral government. The Germans called them "Sturmabteilung" but the Obamunists call them the "Youth Brigade", there is the difference if you were looking for one. Mary (a previous commenter) said this law is only for those who participate in the GIVE program, she failed to read the rest of the bill which requires all Student Loan applicants to "participate" under federal law.

There are too many corollaries between this administration and the Socialists of Nazi Germany to ignore and I genuinely fear for the future of my country. I encourage each of you to participate in the TEA parties taking place on April 15th, then join a local group to protest the hijacking of our country.

Get a Grip
written by Brad, March 26, 2009

This has been taken completely out of context of the bill's purpose. Unfortunately the writer of this article neglicted to mention that they are not allowed to provide religious teachings, AS PART OF SERVICE TIME. It's the same thing as you going to work and spending your time preaching rather than doing the job you are paid for. Plain old rhetoric here, taken WAY out of context. I thought this website was supposed to foster Christian ideals and beliefs instead of spreading lies out of context. I believe this is a violation of the only rules which really matter, the 10 commandments "Thou shalt not lie". This is sickening to say the least, folks, may I suggest you do some research before believing this....Let me guess, this website also was one of the first to report that Obama is a Muslim.

Wait a Minute...
written by Neil, March 26, 2009

Does this Bill really prohibit church attendance... or does Sec. 1304 outline activities that cannot be performed as part of the service rendered?

I have no issue with the government requiring a little sweat-equity from those receiving grants and loans. I also have no problem with the service being strictly secular.

The title of this blog seems deceptive, or at best, fails to prove its point. Wherein is church attendance prohibited?

Finally, the references to Nazi Germany are embarrassing. Many European countries require civil serive.

Obama's Youth Brigade....Volunteer's? More like the Draft
written by Cindy, March 26, 2009

Land of the free? One nation under God?
Who took Christ out of Christmas, Easter, and Everything else? Who thinks they have a right to? Wasn't this country created to protect freedom....including religious freedom?? Why then, are they trying to take God away! No matter waht you do to take away our freedom, God still reigns and will continue to reign on His throne!!

“unconstitutional”
written by RP, March 26, 2009

As soon as Obama signs this bill if it gets past the senate he should be impeached and brought up and charges. It’s highly unconstitutional. I know a few of you that don’t know sh*t from shin-ola will say this is not true but it is true “unconstitutional”

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written by Carmela Phillips, March 26, 2009

What is wrong with you Republicans? Can't you do something?

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written by The Key Is Red, March 27, 2009

I can'r wait to hear what the mind programmed TV evangelicals have to say about this. Probably the same response to what israel's ban of the cross being worn by the Pope. Nothing.

Unfortunately, it looks like the devil is ready.

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written by Cheryl, March 27, 2009

Volunteering and mandatory don't go together. One implies someone offering of themselves without being told and the other implies something required, with strings attached!
Why do we need government to direct our youth? Raising children and teaching volunteerism is not the job of the government, but the parents under God's guidance. Children are gifts from God, not the government.

So much for College Plans...
written by Lewis, March 27, 2009

I'm 18, a strong Christian and I aspire to do great things for God with my life, and college is something I think will help prepare me for the ministry... However, a fast food salary will certainly not cover college expenses, and if the government requires me to not attend my church or engage in anything remotely Christian then I do not want to live here, as patriotic as I have always been.
To those of you who say this article is out of context - It is not. Not to be disrespectful to anyone, but the logic is simple, and the language is clear. Err on the side of caution rather than apathy! Please save our country while you still can! don't allow yourself to sit by and watch our country burn!

question?
written by Texasmom, March 27, 2009

forced volunteerism- isn’t that an oxymoron?

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written by Texasmom, March 27, 2009

forced volunteerism isn’t that an oxymoron?

wow
written by wow, March 27, 2009

do you guys have twelve year olds write your articles? get a little bit more biased.... are you sure that the stipulations don't refer to the volunteer time....? in other words, church activity does not apply for your mandatory volunteer service. Also, likening this to a Nazi reign is ridiculous. It is Christian organizations like this that hurt the world and Jesus Christs message. You hate everything that isn't exactly what you believe....do you read the Bible? this is to be expected. do you believe america is a great Christian nation, laughably, most of you do. What about the amazing Christian slaughter of all of the native americans. how does that fit into to your noble history? stop eating the crap this and other "christian" organizations feed you.

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Eh?
written by Deb, March 27, 2009

What the heck. Isn't this just a huge violation of the whole idea of 'seperation of church and state'?!

Obama Youth Brigade
written by William, March 27, 2009

The problem with the legeslation is that it is so ambiguous that it will cause controversy. Legislation should be clear and not leave room for this type of confusion. Maybe the writers of this legislation were looking for problems!

Read it for yourself...
written by read it for yourself, March 27, 2009

To "Wow" - this is NOT a Christian issue. This is about the rights of ALL American Citizens.

Even if you don't care about protecting the First Amendment rights for yourself - thank God there are many of us who ARE willing to fight for them. One day you will be grateful that someone was willing to pay a price for YOUR freedom.

I don't care what kind of program a person signs up for - or is "mandatorily volunteered" for, in EITHER case, Amendment I of the US Constitition clearly states that the "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the FREE EXCERCISE thereof; or abridging the FREEDOM OF SPEECH, or of the press, or the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO PEACABLY ASSEMBLE, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

In NO uncertain terms, HR 1388 is a CLEAR VIOLATION of our rights.

Americans - wake up! I encourage you to forward this article to everyone you know, and also to find out where they are having a TEA Party in your area on April 15th and participate. Let your presence be known and your voice be heard.

This is still the greatest nation on the earth and it is the PEOPLE in this country that make it great, not our politics or politicians.

Excercise your 1st Amendment right on April 15th and peacably assemble and petition our Government for a redress of grievances.

He´s illegal so he can´t sign under anything
written by anonymous, March 27, 2009

Barack Obama is according to various internet resources operating illegally (by being born in another country than the US according to reports) and therefore is unable to verify any law which is passed unto him to sign.
This includes ANY legal attempt to prevent people from expressing themselves multidimensionally. The key word here is ´multidimensionally´and not in terms of age.
For the United States to dissolve properly and be turned into the Representative Republic of Non - Federal States , Whashington DC must be removed as a base for political operations of ANY kind , there must be NO voting for 4 years (you´re entitled to a right of pause that ensures you do not need to vote ANY politician up to that time - once the 4 years have passed , you can start restructuring your democracy so that the dictatorship can be replaced by a real democracy).
The more votes you turn in , the less rights you receive in turn. Go into nature and hide from your enemies there until you´re provided with assistance. If you feel that your enemies are more advanced than you technologically then you must call for assistance , for instance from Russia.
You want your country back? Take it from those who took it from you.
Stop taking aspartame and useless vaccines and listening to the advise of useless eaters.
Go be yourselves. You want to worship? Worship! And stop being adult people telling other adult people what to do when there´s no need for it. When that increases as it´s already beginning to take place , you´ll cease attracting other adults who had been telling you before to do things that you had no need to do.
In the 20th century they used to treat each other as if they were little kids , and look and see what has become of that.
The people who posted this article don´t hate everything that´s written in the Bible and there is no big devil that´s gonna bite peoples´arses.
YOU put these people to power and gave them all the hold YOU complain about them having over YOU , YOU remove them. YOU tell them what to do , instead of the other way around. And as I have said already , take from them anything they took you feel belongs to you.

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Blanket statement to violate our rights...
written by Hello people???, March 27, 2009

Hello people? Do you want to continue to live in a Free country? Do you want to live in fear that you could be arrested for disagreeing with goverment policies? Are you willing to let law makers put blanket statements in bills that give them free reign to basically add anything in later... as they see fit -- without a vote?

Read # 10 under PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES closely:

(10) Such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.

We have GOT to make our voices heard. Don't allow fear or apathy to hinder you and don't think we can't make a difference. There are MANY freedoms that we celebrate in this country now, for which ONE person was willing to stand up for righteousness.

Are YOU the ONE?

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Mistake can not happen again
written by Billy, March 28, 2009

What I read here sound like what we fought against in WW11. This country has very deep roots in our churches and we say in God we trust. We must not let any one say we can't worship when we want and were we want because that is probly when we need him the most

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written by Laura Perez, March 28, 2009

Whatever happened to freedom of religion? There are way too many Christians in this country that will refuse to agree and execute this bill. This is not the type of change many people(excuding myself) voted for.

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OUTRAGOUS!
written by lisa, March 28, 2009

This is outragous !
SO? any 'child that is forced to 'volunteer' would not be ALLOWED to attend church ??
No way would my child participate !!

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Christians :Video is the true meaning
written by lisa, March 28, 2009

The video of the Prez. says it all..
To have a Civilian FORCE stronger then the militatary.. This little 'voluntary' bit is a joke , it's about his goal for a military under ONLY his control..! DID You read # 10?
What on earth or who on earth is the corporation ?? Are we really that PC that we can't see it for what it is ?
wake up people !
since when do we as Christians put aside our faith for a goverment ?
If you are falling for this .. I don't want you watching MY back !

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too wait a minute..
written by lisa, March 28, 2009

Did you happen to read the post about our Rights ? would you be happy to not voice your opinion , just b/c you got a student loan..?
You need to really understand our constitution ..
This is NOT just against Your faith.. it's about all rights ? I'm sure the goverment wouldn't want you painting some old persons home ,, volunt.. and then protesting said gover.. in your "off" time ..

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Where did this come from
written by Patricia, March 28, 2009

I just spent a huge amount of time trying to keep myself awake and read the bill behind all this. http://www.washingtonwatch.com..._2857.html
I never found a sec 1304 or sec 125. Where are you getting this information. I think it is very important to search for the truth for your self. Do not take one persons oppinion, thoughts, misunderstandings and accept them as truth. Search for what is really going on here. Either 1. someone is trying to get a lot of people upset or 2. someone is really misinformed and shareing this misinformation.
If it is the truth then I will be extreamly Mad and will not keep my mouth shut about it however........what I read at the above link is not anything like what is on this page.

The Written Page
written by DP, March 28, 2009

Some of you have very correctly pointed out that the probable intent of the law is to limit the volunteer services to completely secular endeavors - in keeping with the constitutional requirement of religious neutrality. However (and I DID read the text VERY carefully) that is not the way this is worded. In a court of law, the exact words become very important as they often trump the original intent of the legislation. The effect of the law CAN be (if the law is so applied) to discriminate against people of faith. Naturally, such an interpretation would be tested in Federal Court and so the circus would begin. The bill should be sent back to committee and rewritten with the intent stated clearly. What we are seeing is the over-reaching of an administration that wants to get it all done in the first 3 months.

to "Where did this come from"
written by I'm ready!, March 29, 2009

You can read the entire bill here: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/show

click on the link : Read and comment on entire bill, then wait for the document to load.

Scroll down to Section 1304 Prohibited Activities... the text in this article is word for word from the bill... I checked it out.

And like one of the other posters commented... we must be concerned about the ways that some of this could be interpreted by those with ill intent toward any people of faith.

Please check your facts
written by Joshua, March 29, 2009

All the bill says is that when someone is on the job doing gov't sponsored community service, they cannot endorse a specific religious practice. This is just the separation of church and state being applied appropriately. I work for the federal gov't, and this is the same standard that every employee is held to -while on the job-. The United States has no official religion, and one of the founding principles of our nation is religious freedom and tolerance. As such, representatives of the gov't cannot show religious preference while operating in an official capacity. It is the same thing here: these students will not be doing community service as private citizens but rather as participants in a gov't sponsored service program.

Change while you're not looking
written by Doubly Outraged!, March 29, 2009

I'm just as outraged as everyone, but someone pointed out to me that in the final passage of the House Bill, it seems like they took out that whole section (1304) about the "prohibited activities and ineligible organizations".

You can look and search for it yourself at:
http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/markup/FC/HR1388-NationalService/GIVE_SUB_xml.pdf

It seems like everything they get a backlash from (like the VA insurance issue, the spent brass issue, etc) they quickly decide to rescind. They're trying to get as much passed while people are not looking and when they get called on it, they simply remove the offending or troublesome part, but leave the rest.

It's like typical negociating tactics. Ask for more and then settle with less (which is usually more than what you started with anyways).

Grandmother
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You two had better get in school, full time, NOW!
I sense they will enact the draft pretty soon.

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1388 GIVE Sec. 1304 Sec 125
written by antisophistry, March 29, 2009

Patricia, I think this website is most reliable for reading these Bills...http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-1388

ummmm WRONG!
written by wow, March 30, 2009

That section is NOT in the bill. Sheeeesh!

The section IS in the bill
written by Brian, March 30, 2009

Visit: http://www.govtrack.us/congres...=h111-1388

scroll to: Subtitle C--Amendments to Subtitle C (National Service Trust Program)

Click on : Sec. 1304. Prohibited activities and ineligible organizations. AND THEN READ:

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.

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sigh
written by Liz, March 31, 2009

Do you readers even know what proselytization means? It means you can not try to recruit someone to your faith or convert them, basically.

None of the writing in section 7 means you can't go to church. It means you cannot preach or teach your religious beliefs to others while working for the government. I work for a state university, and when I am teaching or even on campus as an employee, I can not preach about religion, conduct worship services, etc, nor can I go around wearing a button to promote a political candidate or attend a political rally. I can still go to church, and I can still vote, obviously. It is about ethics and separation of personal beliefs with government responsibilities.

YOU CAN STILL GO TO CHURCH! GET A DICTIONARY AND LOOK IT UP. Nothing in that language forbids church attendance. The only thing you would NOT be able to do would be lead a bible study while you are also volunteer in the name of the state.

IT IS ABOUT SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE. No one is taking your religious rights away.

P.S. - Don't you think this would be outed as UNCONSTITUTIONAL if any of what you are "publishing" was true? Hello, 1st amendment. GET EDUCATED

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written by MIke, March 31, 2009

This is not new; the Corporation for National and Community Service merely extends AmeriCorps, which grew out of VISTA, which grew out of the Peace Corps. See www.cns.gov I'm currently a VISTA and we take the same oath as a government employee, earn a poverty wage stipend, and work for community organizations and churches. There is already a Faith Based and Community Initiatives component. See http://www.cns.gov/pdf/faith_based_booklet.pdf
I think the news 'analysis' above makes a leap by concluding 'no church attendance' while on duty. What it says is no church building. I am also disheartened that it would compare new ways to serve one's country, to sacrifice for the common good, something only Nazi's would do. That's an ignorant and false thing to say. The diminution of service, to do as Jesus did, to 'Obama's Youth Brigade' is obvious and unappreciated sarcasm. Again, the prohibited activities of a government employee are not new.

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Disqualified
written by Brian, April 01, 2009

This Bill would disqualify some of the founding fathers, who were active members in their churches.

I doesn't matter how you spin it. It's anti-Christ in nature and unconstitutional.

When we don't know our history and respect it, we'll make changes we will later regret. But by then the damage is done.

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Retired USAF
written by Robert Blannin, April 01, 2009

When you turn your back on the one who loves you how do you think they feel? Not Happy! So go a head try it He that is grater than you, You will have to answer to Him Mr president. I will be praying for you that You will change your thinking. I do care about you and your eternal life. I pray you will soon be blessed. Please do not reject Him that made you from the earth.

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written by Robert Blannin, April 01, 2009

May God Bless Obama and show him change, not the change Obama wants for our country, but what God wants.

just sick
written by nova, April 01, 2009

This is beyond being simply sick its unconstitutional as well. This removes freedom of religion and the practice of.

I conceed
written by LBJ, April 01, 2009

Ok, I did find it in the final version. The wording is a little different than originally stated, but basically the same. After reading it I would say that it is no more than seperation of church and state. Not much different than how public schools are ran.

Dumbed Down
written by Brian, April 01, 2009

Perhaps some think the American people can't or don't read.

Thanks for doing the research on this... now, if the rest of the media would just catch up, we would see REAL CHANGE in action, from where it should come from: from "We the People."

A few things...
written by Jones7985, April 01, 2009

Whether this language is in the final version or not is inconsequntial on some level. The point is, the founding fathers would have been outraged had anyone so much as suggested this, even in private. Look how far we've digressed. BTW, the 'separation of church and state', which is not in the constitution, is a concept to protect the church from the state. Not the other way around. We need to pray. That's just my 2 cents.

vital difference
written by dawn, April 03, 2009

It appears to me that there is a vital difference in the first, now repealed version, and the second.

The first read "(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:"

The second reads "(a) Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities:"

So the second version makes clear that it's not that a person engaging in national service can't participate in these activities at all - rather, that these activities can not count as their national service position.

Summary - We can still preach and worship. But preaching and worshiping doesn't count as our national service.

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written by Evelyn Olsen, April 03, 2009

I'd like to know when they are going to make Obama produce his birth certificate. I am asking God to soverignly draw Obama to himself and flip this whole thing around. Is this one of those "The Battle Belongs to the Lord" things? I am reminded of the stories in the Bible where the King ended up realizing the Our God is THE Lord and how it turned nations when the King changed. I would suggest we believe along those lines and watch and wait for Our Mighty God to intervene and then surely, when it happens, and in a way that man could not do it, God will assuredly get the glory for the deliverance and no man.

Outraged!
written by Meaghan, April 03, 2009

I can't believe this. For me personally, I'm impacted by this new bill because not only am I in school finishing my education in which I take out loans, but I also am a teacher at a Christian school. According to this I have to either quit my job to finish school or quit school to keep my job! Not exactly the change I was looking for. However, I'm sure Hitler would be proud of Mr. Obama and his change!

Pray fellow prayer warriors!
written by Nana, April 03, 2009

How sad that what so many of us knew beforehand had to come to pass to wake up the rest of our country. The best place we can be right now is on our faces before our King of kings, seeking wisdom and courage for the people of this country. We also need to keep our government officials, especially the President, lifted before the throne of God where they may obtain mercy.

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written by JC, April 03, 2009

Just to clarify: are they really *forbidding* these actions, or are they saying that those actions cannot count as volunteerism under the program?

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written by Noel Cusimano, April 03, 2009

would any of you say "God bless Satan"?
I wouldn't, Obama's and his cohorts actions are certainly diabolic. However, I would pray that God would change him and his cohorts hearts. I believe that we will come to civil war, and as distasteful as this is, we must commit to sincere daily prayer to avoid this, pray the one hour a day that our Mother asks for.

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written by JC, April 03, 2009

Liz,
"Do you readers even know what proselytization means? It means you can not try to recruit someone to your faith or convert them, basically. "
Which is a basic mandate of Christianity.

I don't know what state you work for, but college professors go to political rallies all the time. And what happened to academic freedom? So, religious schools aren't allowed ot require their doctrines be taught, because that violates "academic freedom", but secular schools *can* forbit it?

In any case, mandatory volunteerism is an oxymoron. To those who would say it's what Christ called for, it's not: Christ calls for *voluntary* (freely chosen), *charitable* (coming out of love) acts, not mandatory servitude.

As for freedom of religion, I hope this *does* get through. Then maybe the Vatican will admit that Pius IX was right, after all.

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written by ytolo, April 04, 2009

The Eagle has been pluck, The enemy is gathering for the kill.America is fast coming to socialism , towards one world government which will be headed by a despot...My children, Pray for your world leaders. .Our Lady of Roses...Bay side
New York

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none
written by Mary Eden, April 05, 2009

He is wiping out the Bible and any other religious sources so that noone will be allowed to use them. I still don't know what the punishment would be if caught but the very idea of religious freedom is under threat from him.

These people are worried we will revolt.
written by Snake, April 08, 2009

In Macc1 and 2, after the jews fled to the desert with Maccabee, Maccabee told them to follow him and fight. The Majority did not and said they would explain to the Greeks what happened and were caught up in the emotion of the time and the Greeks would understand. 3000 + men, women and children were slaughter by the Greeks where they stood. Many of us remember the OATH we took when we entered the service. The OATH does NOT expire. If they even attempt this, they have forgotten the lessons of 1860. Simply put, they fear the populace. A kind word, and a .45, will get more done than a kind word.

Semper Fidelis

GOD
Country
Corps

Snake

This is just the beginning...
written by QBall, April 09, 2009

the end times are here; this 'bill' that he enacts shows us that. God will NOT intervene, as the end times (end of our times) are now on the way. The only thing that we can do is to get ourselves saved by opening our hearts and souls to confess our sins, that we were born sinners...we lived in sin, that Jesus is our Saviour ... that He died on the cross for OUR sins and takes OUR sins from us; we will sin no more in Jesus' name! God will no longer allow us to continue to live and breathe in sin; He will no longer allow us to pretend that He does not exist!

Confess your sins, confess your soul, get Reborn and be one with God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit! Do not be condemned to eternal damnation ... open your hearts and live in happiness and glory for all eternity with our Lord God!

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lpn
written by jill, April 14, 2009

Oh, Get over it! I understand why the bill is written the way it is. It is to protect separation of Church and State. Otherwise students will volunteer at their church which is actually giving money to a non profit Church organization. Like the founders of churches and CEO's of religious organizations don't have their greedy eyes on profit!! where do you get his idea is to form a million youth brigade? serving three months in community service is in no way equal to joining a million youth brigade. Stop throwing your religious bs at people! Although I understand FEAR fills your collection plates.

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Evangelist/Author
written by Aaron, April 15, 2009

I find it sad that so many "Christians" decided on Nov. 4 '08 to lay aside the Word of God in lieu of voting into Office a man whose morals are far from Biblical.
The return of Christ is close at hand!
ARE YOU READY for the sounding of the Shofar?

Opposed to GIVE: Obama's Youth Brigade
written by Tina Clark, April 18, 2009

History shows that world powers fall to an enemy nation only after they have deteriorated within themselves and thus have become weak. This type of weakness happens in part when a large percentage of people within the nation become dependent on the government to take care of needs that individuals should be managing themselves. When governments give, they want something in return--most often that is more government power, less common people power. An effective way to get this is to promise the masses of people things that they think they want, but in these provisions basic rights of individuals are slowly taken away. Th GIVE bill takes away the basic rights of the the American people to believe and act according to any type of godly morals. In fact, if one reads carefully, any type of individual thinking or behavior will ultimately not be allowed if our government does not want "at home" opposition. This smacks of bulliness. Why would anyone approve of such a bill--eventually, there is no one in the USA who will not be affected by such a bill even those who wrote and voted for the bill. Even if you believe that you can live contentedly with such restrictions to free thinking someone you know and love will not be able to do so. Most of us are either a young person or know and love a young person. According to the GIVE bill, any young person wanting to better their chances at making a decent living for themselves and their future families will only be allowed to do so if they serve at least three months in the brigade. While in said brigade, they will not be allowed to attend church or even consider themselves affiliated with a church. They will not be able to utter a word about their religious beliefs. One can only assume that for the three months spent in the brigade, they will be indoctrinated while still young and impressionable to believe what the government wants them to believe. I think it is safe to assume that if a young person emerges from the brigade with their independent thinking still intact that their chances for any student loans or possibilities of being hired into a good are pretty slim.

do your research
written by mvtruth, April 20, 2009

Are you kidding me? In no way are people being prohibited from doing religious activities they just aren't able to use those activities to fulfill the volunteer hours.

Consider the source of where you get your news.

Oh My God!!!
written by georgia, April 21, 2009

what the Hell! this is a bunch of crap! It has Obama written al over this one. I can't believe this is our country he is running it like a chicago thug!

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Not Obama's Bill
written by Al Bundy, April 22, 2009

actually, this is not an obama thing at all. remember, obama is only a puppet in this game. the bill has been introduced several times since 2007 by hysterical nut case carolyn mcarthy from new york.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-2857

obama
written by michelle, April 22, 2009

i can't belive that the senate passed this law.

Let's Take a Honest Look!
written by J.D., April 23, 2009

I understand that it is not about, not being able to worship. But why would we prohibit community service to be done at a church. Historically churches have always been involved with community service. Homeless shelters, feeding the poor, etc. If you take an honest look at the non-profits...the majority of them are faith-based! As much as you want to seperate church and state, its not a reality that can happen.

Interesting change
written by Preston, April 23, 2009

I find it very interesting that the original text of 125 contained the phrase "A participant in," which was dropped from the later text. 1310 is not a problem at all... in fact, I completely support it. The original text of 125, however, is a complete and total violation of the first amendment.

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written by Dee, April 24, 2009

It looks to me like this is an effort to help people learn to GIVE BACK!! I admit I haven't read the entire Bill, but it doesn't look to me like religious persons are not allowed to practice their religion or to be volunteers at their church. Just that it won't count as part of their "giving back."

Don't you think that this is really great?! I mean, how often are children or people ever required or taught to give back for something they receive or to "pay it forward?"

Unfortunately, most people simply have their hand out. As long as this is simply across the board - in other words, it applies to every person - I think it's actually a good idea.

If Christ returns soon, I'm sure he will be happy if we are serving one another more.

One more nail in our coffin
written by MotherRedDog, April 24, 2009

Those who deny history are doomed to repeat it.

I just never thought we would be looking at anything that could so closely resemble the "brown shirts" of the past.
People need to wake up and take a stand.

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No Christians need apply
written by David Adams, April 24, 2009

It seems that most American volunteers have always come from strong religious background. If we eliminate that aspect then who will these 'volunteers' be?

Executive VP
written by Bruce, April 24, 2009

Clearly unconstitutional under the "free exercise" clause of the first Amendment.
Impeachment anyone,... anyone?

President
written by Clifton L. West, April 24, 2009

This means, of course, that those applying for government assistance will have to meet the same qualifications to begin, thus screening out anyone with a thinking brain. Hitler tried to create robots, too, see what it got him. The world would have been a great deal better off if he had been stopped at the beginning of his administration before German went down in ashes!

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Whisky Tango Foxtrot
written by John Null, April 24, 2009

That is a military term for those who are making the rules. I have lived thru WWII, Korea, Vet Niem, all of the "policing" action and now we have our own socialist nation. In college I wrote a paper on the "Evolution of Unions in the USA". Known communist were brought in to "organize" the movement because they were so good at it. Now we have a professional "organizer" leading this nation and the "hinchmen" were already in place. As long as we have the "gemme" zealots out there, we will be a socialist nation. Ok, what do we do???
IMPEACH them.

Disturbing
written by Marcia V Dalsky, April 24, 2009

We have to bring back that old song:
God Bless America Again

Obama not the Anti-Christ
written by Scott, April 24, 2009

He's just showing the anti-Christ how to do it right!

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What Did You Expect?
written by Eamonn, Dublin, Ir, April 24, 2009

I don't wish to be insulting, because I have the very highest respect for the United States, especially in its role as the Defender of Western civilization. However, I simply cannot even begin to comprehend how an electorate could be so absolutely STUPID as to elect this man into the position of the most powerful person on earth. If he is allowed to go on, he will bring about the fall of the United States, with all of the awful consequences which will follow.

What is this saying?
written by WFH505, April 24, 2009

I am as suspicious of 0bama as anyone but what exactly is this saying?

Is it say that brigade members cannot do any of these things AS BRIGADE MEMBERS or is it saying they can't do these things AT ALL?

Ifi it is the former, then that is appropriate to keep the ORGANIZATION clear of all religious and political activity, but if it is the latter, then that is chilling.

Obama Youth Brigade a.k.a. Devil's Brigade
written by Dian, April 24, 2009

None of this surprises me..It is so Hitleresque and DEFINITELY unconstitutional (as stated above by Bruce). Get ready, folks. This is just a dot on the tip of the Obama Iceberg. He thinks that we, Christians and/or constitutionalists will never notice!! Wrong!

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Pissed off American
written by Tailgunner, April 24, 2009

Does this remind anybody of Chairman Mao's "RED GUARD"???

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Arm the Brigade
written by Wally, April 24, 2009

I wonder if Obama is going to take our guns away to arm his brigade.

The New Nazi America

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Retired
written by Norman Young, April 24, 2009

What's with our leaders? I think the House is being led by the Pied Piper. Let's hope the senate has more sense

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written by Herb, April 24, 2009

Look out, Adolf Hitler; here comes your duplicate.

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written by I'm Watching You, April 24, 2009

Well i want obowba to know that if he wants personally to make me give him my kids, he has another thought coming. This idiot is only powerful in his own mind. I do not fear him one iota. And yes they are stupid for electing this coward.

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Watcher
written by I'm Watching You, April 24, 2009

Obama is not my president and i will never bow to him or his minions. I will defend the Constitution till i part this life. He will not get my kids. Nor will nutsy pelosi, clinTon, dingy reed, alvin gore, rahm emanuella, or any other dimocrat. Jesus can and Him only. Period...Nuff said.

mr.
written by Deebluz, April 24, 2009

How many unconstitutional mandates does anyone see here------the House is a house of fools and the Senate better wake up fast---the new Hitler Youth----those who ignore history are damned by repeating it ----useful idiots!

Jumping to Conclusions
written by Janae, April 25, 2009

"Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities: " A position under this subtitle? I think it's just saying you can't use your position in the brigade to do any of the things listed, not necessarily that all forms of religion worship are prohibited during your time of volunteer duty. If so, I think this could be a good thing. Make people learn to serve others in return for their free government money...
Although if not, I hope they have fun trying to get people to cooperate with their idea, since no active members of religious faiths will be included, or people who can support themselves, with the added work of government funding... hmmm i guess we'll have to see what happens..

Impeach the lying bastard now!
written by Mike, April 25, 2009

I think Mao-Bama is so ignorant a man who is drunk on power that we will reach a point soon where just maybe, articles of impeachment can be draw up.

They will be real as opposd to the faux birth certificate?

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written by john pistorino, April 25, 2009

This is consistant with Obama's plan to eliminate the distribution of Pell grants and loans through private banks and have such loans be given directly by the Federal Government. It is an attempt to control the youth as far as their individual freedoms the constitution allows.

You're a liar, Voice Magazine.
written by Ace, April 25, 2009

This is a blatantly deceptive (or ignorant) review of HB 1388. The Bill DOES NOT prohibit religious service, etc. All the bill does is require students receiving federal financial aid to serve a certain number of volunteer hours for public service organizations. That's a worthy goal, in my opinion. All the bill says about churches is that students can't count church service work towards their required service hours (because certainly the Constitution wouldn't permit the government to pay students to work for a church). The bill DOES NOT prohibit church service or restrict it in any way.

Destruction from With-In
written by Leland Cantrell, April 25, 2009

It appears that Obama has a precise plan to undermine and destroy the USA from the office of President of the United States! He is totally unqualified to be president - not being a citizen of our great country.There should be no questions about a birth certificate without one HE IS NOT QUALIFIED TO EVEN CONSIDER BEING A CANIDATE TO RUN FOR THE PRESIDENCY OF THIS COUNTRY, Why doesn't the electorial college do their job? He has no love for this country and is open about his association with all those countries and people that have wanted to see the USA destroyed. For some reason our Weak kneed United States Supreme Court is ignoring these facts. Wait & Watch Obama is a puppet of some greater power and plan and time will give us the answer of who the master mind is but if our Congress and Senate doesn't put a stop to this destructive plot the USA will fall just as all other nations in the past.

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written by chrstine, April 25, 2009

Student Loans are not free! I have some myself and I will spend at least 10 years of my life for each two years of college paying them back, plus interest! It's not free money! It is the only way I can position myself to hopefully pay back the loans, and make a little living for myself and my family.

Agree with Jumping to Conclusions
written by NKNB, April 25, 2009

I just downloaded the bill and looked into this a bit. I think this article brings up some good points and concerns. As I started researching the bill, I came to the same conclusion as Janae. I am still looking for wording that support that this service is "required" by all students. It looks like schools can choose to participate. It looks like "on the surface" this bill is doing "a good service" and that is what concerns me. Its the things that are hidden that I am concerned about. The bill that I found online is 86 pages long in Word and that didn't include the enitre bill, I am having a hard time finding the bill in it's entirety. Having bills that long is rediculous. How many Representatives, Senators and Presidents really thoroughly read ANY bill???? Another concern is that it's more movement toward "Big Government" dictating what we do. Community service is a personal choice. I will do everything possible for my children not to participate in this, as when they do community service they will be doing it for the Lord, not for the government.

Required Service? School Loans?
written by NKNB, April 25, 2009

I am still reading through this bill, and I am still looking for the language that says anyone is required to do this National Service. Can someone help me with that?

Also, everything I am seeing is that this bill is geared at education from elementary through college. I haven't read any language about school loans yet. Can someone also share where that is at in the bill?

"AT EASE IN ZION"
written by CURTIS, April 26, 2009

The person that called Voice Magazine a liar.
Read below, this is an actual quote from the document.
SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.
ANYONE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE GOVERNMENT. THOSE HAVE SCHOOL LOANS. AND ANY OTHER GOV. TIE.

Also, as deceptive that this man has been, the American People need to remember that God set him into that position. The LORD deals with nations that turn their backs on HIM. As one was talking about HIS dealings in the OLD Test. He put Kings in place and when the people got out of line, which was quite a bit of the time, He Chastized them and brought in a King that would make their lives so Miserable & Pittiful that they would turn back to HIM.

This couintry has left God out of their lives. There are a few Christians around, but in general, there are too many out there that want things their way. They have their 40 hrs of work week and then the Weekend off for themselves. They are, as Amos the prophet told Israel they were "AT EASE IN ZION". They forgot God and the PRICE HIS SON paid to allow us back in the right relationship with HIM. John 14:6; Jesus stated; "NO MAN can come to the FATHER except thru HIM". That is doing the things that the Bible teaches. This is not living the way man wants to, but by the WAY the Lord has so instructed.
HAVE WE????

GIVE ACT HR 1388
written by CharInOhio, April 26, 2009

It is my understanding this bill has ALREADY passed BOTH House and Senate .....this is a done deal !!!! There was language in this bill leaving it WIDE OPEN to "Mandatory service" for ALL students AND everyone else too...even seniors !!!! The language spoke of being kids wearing uniforms and being trained in camps which they later changed to campuses and they would "serve" underpriveleged....build homes, ect...in other words...be a slave to those who leech off the system already. They moved the "mandatory" language from my understanding to HR 1444 which they will pass also and slip under the radar just like they did with HR 1388 while you all were screaming over AIG....that is around the time it passed !!!! Please note that the MERE IDEA they were willing to leave open the POSSIBILITY for this to be mandatory SPEAKS VOLUMES !!!! They want it to BE mandatory or they would not have placed the language in there. To pass the bill they removed it and hide the language someplace else in another bill !!!! Which they will shove thru also.....and it IS correct you are not allowed to protest or participate in political activities while "Serving".....IF this is voluntary WHAT does THAT have to do with anything? AND if its not....why is this important either? EVEN IF your kids DO get "paid" for this....your kids are STILL being "indoctrinated" by the government. Your kids do NOT CHOOSE their "volunteer" work....the government TELLS THEM what they will do !!!! Why would ANYONE subject their kid to this and basically "Sell" them to the government for a little college money? Are you all aware they are paying Palenstinian hamas supporters to immigrate to this country and putting them on our welfare system under "humanitarian" reasons and paying for FREE college for them? BUT YOUR KIDS must be slaves to get help? I say, have your kids get REAL JOBS and participate in REAL volunteer work THEY CHOOSE.....dont be duped into this Obama agenda.

Reading Comprehension not a requirement for Christians
written by elvis, April 26, 2009

This article further proves to me that the ability to actually comprehend what you read is not required in order to be a Christian. It is actually a detriment to faith. Logic not required.

You are the same people who lamely attempt to associate yourselves with the Sons of Freedom from the American Revolution.

The sky is falling chicken little.

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What?
written by Malicea4thought, April 26, 2009

OK, so you took a few passages out of a bill and spun them to say that religious service is now forbidden.
If you understand the Establishment Clause and related case law, you quickly realize that people can get money for college by volunteering. What they are saying is that if you are a missionary, you cannot get money for college.
But this will be spun by religious nuts to say that Obama has now outlawed religion.
It's just another spin job to make right wingers hate the president. But ultimately, it makes those who pass on these articles to all the people in their email address book look illiterate.

Pray and get in the game
written by d, April 26, 2009

Easy to talk, but who has contacted their elected officials about this? There is so much to do and such a huge spiritual battle going on! I am encouraged to pray and get in the game myself. I hope many others are as well. "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places." Ephesians 6:12

Evil
written by Grandpa, April 26, 2009

WO UNTO THEM THAT WILL CALL GOOD, EVIL AND EVIL, GOOD.
THIS IS NATZI-ISM AT IT'S FINEST--IT WILL EVOLVE INTO HITLER'S MASTER RACE. WHAT A DISGRACE THIS THING IS TO THE PRESICENCY. I AGREE WITH THE PERSON THAT CALLS HIM AN ILLEGITIMATE PRESIDENT--IF HE IS SO GREAT--LET HIM PROVE IT. THE DEVIL HIMSELF LURES PEOPLE AWAY BY HIS GOOD LOOKS AND FINE SPEECH. JUST AS OUR MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE IS DOING.

Any lawyers to confirm?
written by Shawn, April 27, 2009

It appears with the repealing of section 125 and subsequent addition of new verbage in section 132 that the problem has been resolved by a rewording of part a.

Take a look at the difference between the original text and the revised text.

"SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities"

and then

"‘SEC. 132A. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

‘(a) Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities:"

In my understanding they have removed "A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in..." which would prohibit any person that has said position from these activities. By changing that to read "An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for..." they have limited the effect of this section to only govern the use of the position itself in a capacity that would facilitate these activities.

To my (limited) knowledge of legal terminology, this would no longer prohibit the person in said position from taking part in these activities as long as they do not do so as an agent in the position that is referred to.

I for one am relieved that this change has been made. If I have read this wrong please explain it to me so that I may better understand.

Sincerely,
Shawn

if you dont care, you should.
written by ryan dunwoody, April 27, 2009

until recently i was a fan of Obama. this whole thing only furthers my attempt from trying to stick to the same page as him. 'malicea4thought', below, sais that if you are a missionary, you can't get money for college, and thats ok. this is not an equal opportunity employment. what about the preacher's son or a sunday school teacher? they dont ALSO PAY TAXES? c'mon people. open your eyes. its time to face the revolution here.

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written by Linda Suazo, April 28, 2009

I have looked this up in the text of the bill. I can't find it. It is not in Sec. 1304. Please let me know where to find it.

Thanks

citizen of what is left of the USA
written by bobby graham, April 28, 2009

Is this what the majority of the people voted for. And think it took just 100 days for AKA to ruin our country.

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Obama's Military?
written by Craig, April 28, 2009

It is time people, this has gone on long enough. This usurpur and his administration have trampled the Constitution enough. This is Obama way and plan to become a dictator. Don't think so?, what are his meetings about when he goes to these punk dictator countrys,not to talk democracy. He wants this youth brigade to be 1 million+ youth, that is a BIG army (militia). That is more than large enough to smash any revolution. The longer he can fight his eligibility case, the more he accomplishes his goal. It's there people, don't let the wording deceive you, he is the master of deception. This militia can be used for what-ever he wants and who will stop it? Our congress is already lost what with amnesty and this and the hate crimes bill. People he won't have to take away the first amendment, he will have enough things in place to just suppress it. As Ryan said "c'mon people, open your eyes, it's time to face the revolution here". Remember, we are all " right-winged extremists".

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written by D. Faye, April 28, 2009

It is time to impeach Obama...it is also time to clean house in the congress and Senate...Kennedy has got to go along with many, many others...it seems our congressmen are completely out of touch with the average American!!!!!!

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...
written by Jeff Murphy, April 28, 2009

This is boilerplate language that is required by the constitution to preserve the separation of church and state. Right wing crybabies want the Constitution quoted unless it fails to serve their needs. You lost -- get over it.

Stop Fearmongering
written by understand first, April 28, 2009

http://zpolicy.blogspot.com/20...ogram.html

Read to the end to understand exactly what the bill states.

No need to stir up contention or unnecessary fear, folks. It does no one any good.

In rereading the bill...
written by NKNB, April 28, 2009

I found the same thing as Shawn. The revised and final bill repealed Section 125 and then put in Section 132A to changing the wording to "the position" rather than the person. The fac that "the person" was in any form of the bill indicates that "we the people" really need to be following this.

I also read an article HSLDA that this topic has been moved to HR1444. They are very concerned about that and will keep their attorneys attention on it. We also need to follow it and contact our reps.

obama army?
written by Linda, April 28, 2009

In his first hundred days in office he has enacted more legislation that is dangerously close to what Hitler did in Nazi Germany! If he isn't stopped and SOON, we can go down the same path as the Jews did! It is obama's agenda, along with his hitchmen to destroy America...he is well on his way! It is going to take more than lip service and griping on line to get anything done! We are going to have to take action to STOP this tyrant before it is too late...if it isn't already!!!

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YCA/YCT
written by Ben Davis, April 28, 2009

Ok it has overtones of separation of church and state.
MOST IMPORTANTLY This would PREVENT students from PARTICIPATING in ANY PROTESTS.

The conservatives are right to be up in arms. Federal student loans are life long term loans. Even bankruptcy cant save you from owing them.

So if you owe the government and fail to comply with the new program, you are dealt with at the gov’t discression. this is a big issue!

no protesting, no active ministry, no participation in unapproved government forums.
(everyone in college is part of some organization that protests) –Hell I’m part of YCA

the wording of this bill could easily go either way. (Towards totalitarianism or separation of church & state)

What SHOULD be done is rework this bill to the equivalent of most corporate HR policies such as personal freedoms, and religion, and ideology. (IE jobs that accommodate Muslims whom pray 5 times a day, and Jews whom wear head covering at work BUT are asked to not force opinions on their coworkers while at work)

Currently this reads as an exclusion of personal freedoms (you cannot pray, and you had better not try to minster to anyone either!)

Receiving Governmemt funding
written by Richard Leslie, April 28, 2009

If people want more government funding in larger parts of their lives, then they have to follow the the government restrictions accompanying. Where has individual initiative gone!

What can and can not be done with Grant Monies Under Bill HR 1388
written by Me, April 28, 2009

A student can not use Grant money from the Government to further any political or religious activity. If you read the entire bill, that is what it is referring to...what can and can not be done with the Grant Money. A student would still be able to worship but the grant money can not be assoctiated with it.

Ya wanted change ...
written by Bregyn, April 28, 2009

Ya wanted change ... Ya got it. You have no one to blame but die hard liberals! Liberals were warned, but would not believe the truth ... now you get to live in the Soviet Socialist Republic of America!

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I Disagree
written by Amanda, April 28, 2009

I think too many people are just accepting what is said in this article instead of doing the research themselves.

I've done about 3 hours of research on this bill and I can't find any language at all that says that college students will be required to "pay back" their student loans by volunteering. I haven't read the entire bill (142 pages long) but I can't find anything at all that says that.

Even if that was the case, I'd support that. I think it's good for people to work for what they're given, though I realize mandatory volunteering is an oxymoron. I think it's completely reasonable for the government to say "we'll pay for your schooling if you volunteer."

Americorp and VISTA are good programs. I worked for them when I was in college about 3 years ago.

The way Americorp and VISTA work is that private or public institutions apply for funding from the government to hire on extra "volunteers." I put that in quotes because you get paid a living allowance and an education award (if you're a student) for being a volunteer. :)

I can't figure out where the author is getting that Obama wants anyone who gets a loan to serve. I certainly can't find anything in the bill that says that. Maybe the author of the article is mistaking "education award" for a loan or grant. I have no idea.

When I read the above excerpts of the bill in context, I thought it was referring to organizations that were not allowed to apply for funding from Americorp or any other of the federal service organizations. To me the bill says that religious and other special interest groups are not eligible for the funding to pay their volunteers and that when you're volunteering, you can't go do missionary work or a voter registration drive or lobby for a bill or anything like that.

From what I can tell, this bill creates NO MANDATORY SERVICE WHATSOEVER. There are my 2 cents.

Child of God
written by Paulette, April 28, 2009

Wake up America!!!Wake up church of Jesus Christ!!!I have a copy of Mein Kampf sitting on my desk. Periodically I will open it and read. I am astounded at the parallel between Germany & America. This is very frightening to see what is unfolding through the present administration. History is repeating itself right before our very eyes. Hitler's rise to power was done in secret at first, and then the true understanding of his madman dreams came later after he had formed his young militia. America!!!America!! Wake up. If we do not PRAY then we most assuredly will witness the devastation to our country that we once read in our history books in school about Germany. (Well at least us over 50 folks did.)I pray for this present administration that God will place a Daniel around the leaders. I pray God give them ears to hear and a heart to obey His voice. This is the only hope for America.

Superintendent
written by Reed Gaddie, April 28, 2009

Let me say that this bill is anti-church and anti-god. We have seen the results of what comes when we remove God from the classroom. Now, if we allow our children to go to college on government loans, they will not be permitted to attend church, or participate in any church function. This is just what our children did not need. This also exposed who would vote for such a bill. This means that as for me, I will exhaust every effort, strenghth and moment possible to get these people exited from office and fight this bill with every fiber within me.

As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

Obama Youth Brigade
written by Patrick S, April 29, 2009

This is written well and should scare the cr__ out of all that read it. Further, how it already passed our House says something profound about the level of ineptitude we have put into office.

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N/A
written by Martha A. Durham, April 29, 2009

The American people are asleep at the switch! I know of Obama supporters who still think he is wonderful but I know them well enough to know that it would be impossible to change their minds. It's almost its almost if they are Obama worshipers and not supporters.

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...
written by Shawn Daywalt, April 30, 2009

It's Hitler all over again. I pray this bill gets thrown out. How can any American see that this is a good thing? May GOD have mercy on all of us!!

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...
written by Linda Suazo, April 30, 2009

I downloaded a copy of this to my computer and have gone over it. No where is there this language. So I also looked up HR1444. It's not there either. Not that I would put this type of language past him, but you can't further Christian life and culture by telling falsehoods.

Judging...
written by Person, April 30, 2009

First of all I'd like to say that you shouldn't say anything until you have researched this in a full degree. I've learned that media sometimes twists things to make them look "scarie" or "more evil" than it really is. I'm not saying that I'm an Obama fan though, I didn't vote for him and I did worry about some of the "changes" that he was/is going to make, but that doesn't mean that I'm going to trust everything that I read by the media about him. All I'm saying is I'm not going to judge it until I've researched it and found what has been written to be true. Then I will be worried and agree that things do look like it's Hitler over again. But until then, please research BEFORE you make your calls and judgements!!! It's important to know the FACTS!!!

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written by Matthew C. Muldrow, April 30, 2009

There is no reason to put the blame on Obama. After what the Bush administration did to this country, he was a breath of fresh air to many. I guess they looked at it as anybody is better than what we have had the last 8 years. This is what we get for forgetting that God is all powerful.

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written by Bill , May 02, 2009

This is in total violation of our religious freedoms. If this law goes into effect I will be a criminal. I will not back down or even respect the law as it is illegal.

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Read it a little closer.....
written by Rebecca, May 02, 2009

I'm reading through the bill (only part-way through so far -- it's pretty dense reading) and I found the part that this article talks about. It may not be exactly what the article paints it to be, though. I haven't found the part yet where it requires students receiving loans to be part of this brigade (but like I said, I haven't finished the whole thing yet).

However, the part it referred to prohibiting religious instruction, conducting worship services, etc. does not specifically say that young people in those positions are not allowed to engage in those activities. It says that "An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities." I think that means that you can't create a paid position to carry out those activities and receive funding from this grant to carry it out. So for instance, if a church wanted to hire a group of disadvantaged youth to do street evangelism in their city, they couldn't use these funds to do that.

It doesn't even ban religious organizations from receiving funding, though. They can receive funding from this grant, on the condition that "the position is not used to support those religious activities." (8.E.)

So as far as I can tell, this bill is NOT banning anyone who is hired to one of these positions from religious practice; it is merely saying that the position can't be created or used for religious purposes

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written by Rebecca, May 02, 2009

As far as I can tell from continuing to read the bill, the bill doesn't require "anyone receiving school loans and other to serve at least three months with the brigade". Instead it refers to specific "national service educational awards" that would work kind of like Federal Work Study, where a student would be given a grant for education in return for them working on one of these service brigades (the army offers similar scholarships to students in return for a certain length of time in the service).

Again, as far as I can tell, it does NOT restrict personal religious freedoms of those who accept those grants (and like work study, you're not required to accept a grant if you don't want it); the restrictions are only on the kinds of positions that can be created with these funds.

Religous freedom anyone?
written by Hannah, May 02, 2009

I have not read this entire bill yet, and doing so is next on my list of priorities. It is of course a dry read and difficult to get through. It is very concerning to me however, that the way it is worded may put some kind of restriction on my religous FREEDOM. In my and the Founding Fathers' opinions, religous involvement or abstinence ought to be left entirely up to every individual in this country. Any other way would be unconstitutional.

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written by Esther, May 04, 2009

What good does it do to tell such lies

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Freedom?
written by Gwen, May 04, 2009

This is simply another fulfillment of Barak Obamas promises. Didn't he say something a program larger than the US military would come? If parents, pastors, teachers and loved ones don't get involved in coming out of ignorance and apathy concerning the direction of this country, when the implosion hits, don't be surprised when it reaches into your home and touches your children and grandchildren. Educate yourselves now on what in the world is going on in Washington - for you own sakes. Personally, I'll be at the National Day of Prayer gathering passing out my copies of this bill - praying and then taking an action!

Lover of Liberty
written by darwin, May 04, 2009

Where is the leader? Who will stand up that has an influence such as will rally those lovers of liberty remaining in this country to restore the values established by our Founding Fathers? Will he please step forward !

Bearing False Witness
written by Larry, May 05, 2009

First, I've voted for every party during my life, not just one, I belong to no party. According to my Bible, bearing false witness is against the Ten Commandments. The article title states "Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden". However the Serve America Act DOES NOT forbid church attendance. What it does prohibit is using the funding for programs to promote any religion, political purpose or party, or (and how conveniently the article left this out) promoting abortion. The stated goal of this bill, now law, is to "renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community for children and youth throughout the United States". In return for providing 100 hours of community service, $500 towards
college tution will be given to each VOLUNTARY participant. Anyone fearful of an "Obama Youth Brigade" corrupting our youth, then organize your own community service project to serve your community and our country instead of bearing false witness. America will be better for it!!! Read the bill yourself instead of relying on false testimony. That's what Jesus would want you to do!

Mrs student
written by Barbara Moss, May 12, 2009

I'm going to school and have a FEDERAL LOAN,I'm counted in the youth brigade, at 58. Does other loans do the same.

HR 627 Opposition
written by Elaine M G, May 12, 2009

If this is what Obama calls 'responsibility', we are in big trouble. This bill is another way to keep strictly the separation of church and state. We are instilling FEAR in our children for even saying the word "God". Whether you believe it or not, 'service' was given to us as a gift from Jesus, and 'all' service is done for the good, and God is all good. Thus, no matter how hard you try to take God out of everything, the good Lord will always be there no matter what and will patiently wait for your stupidity to wise up, grow up and acknowledge that God is here no matter what, and no matter how hard you try to remove Him from this Christian founded great nation of the United States.

HR 627 Opposition
written by Elaine M G, May 12, 2009

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written by james blocker, May 15, 2009

is hitler laughing from his grave?

Moronic
written by Ralph Wallace, May 18, 2009

We ban the Bible in schools . . .

. . . but allow the Bible in prisons.

American Nazi Youth Camps
written by Henry Weinburg, May 21, 2009

Yes, this is terrible, especially for college students who have almost zero choice but to take out a loan here and there.

But my bigger question is this?

WHEN are American's going to start standing up against this tyranny and DO something? I'll take to the streets with anyone else willing to do so!

Anything for my kids!

christian
written by jake, June 25, 2009

how much will we americans have to lose before we say enough.Enough of the goverment telling American what they can and cant do.This Oboma is takeing our right and freedoms and giveing it to Islummics while we pay for it.I dire all americans to stop pay there TAXS.why should we American fund immagent,while we cant even buy shoes for our kid.as far as this BILL forceing our children to serve WHAT is AMERICA NOW RUSSIA,

christian
written by jake, June 25, 2009

People you know the laws that we follow and the law that make up this Ameica.were do they think our laws came from WHY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.EVERY BASIC LAW we have in America is from the TEN COMMANDMENT so if these antichristian that do not want the ten commandment then do away with every law

My Kids Will Refuse
written by David T McKee, July 02, 2009

We obey God, not that rotter Obama or his liberal ilk. I don't care what laws he makes we will refuse. My kids are not going to even participate, unless of course, it is to monkey wrench whatever they are doing. This is war.
David T. McKee, www.bigflushtoilet.com

READ the text of this bill
written by Tyler, August 16, 2009

This story is loaded. You can read the text of the bill on Govtrack.us. What it says is "Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities:"

Basically, your national service requirement can't be fulfilled by any of the "prohibited activities." It doesn't mean that the people involved in service are forbidden from going to church.

Lose the tinfoil, and get educated people. Good lord....

read the bill
written by Tyler, August 16, 2009

good lord people. READ the bill. What it says is basically that doing any of the "prohibited activities" doesnt count for any service time. Not that the people involved in service are FORBIDDEN to do them.

If I were you, I would pray for patience, understanding, and most of all CLARITY for yourselves.

STOP THIS
written by Anon, August 22, 2009

People need to protest this NOW! Marches on the capital, elimination of this program.

People open your eyes!
written by Astounded!, August 23, 2009

You don't have to be a Christian or a genius to see what's coming. Maybe people don't believe what is happening because we have taken our freedom for granted for so long. We've become complacent and lazy and are ripe for the plucking. Believe me, we are being plucked, royally! Individually we are no match for the ruling class. Is it already to late for Americans to regain our freedom? We are saying no and no one is listening or even cares what we think. Bills are being passed to collect our wealth, end our freedom and we are not part of the process. A lot of citizens are looking the other way because they don't believe the freedom they were born with can be taken away so completely and so quickly. How many of us could afford a week in Martha's Vineyard or even a day? Our country is broke and our politicians live like royalty.
Ignoring radical government changes that rob us of hard earned dollars and take away our freedom only speeds up the process. The government is laughing at us. We are considered stupid "little people" who don't know what is good for us. Wake up and quit rationalizing the government push to socialism while you still have a voice!

This seems ok to me
written by christo, September 03, 2009

I wouldn't want anyone in the employ of the government using that position to further their religious or political causes. Do you people who are working for the government using that position to further the cause of Islam or the democrats? This actually seems sensible to me.

This scares me!
written by perennial12, September 03, 2009

A friend sent this to me and I think more people need to see it, so I am sending it everyone I know.

Who is the Corporation?
written by perennial12, September 03, 2009

We better pay attention, there are now communists and socialists running our country and soon we will not recognize it.
This article gave me chills because Obama is trying to do what Saudi Arabia did. Indoctrinate the children and it will take generations to undo it....look at radical Islam. They hate us and they don't really understand why, they are told from birth e are to be hated and killed, how can you undo that?

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written by Stephen, January 13, 2010

to me this looks like the complete opposite to the first amendment, which gives all who live in america the right to religious freedom

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SEC. 1310. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.